March 2, 2023

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HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

ISRAEL ON EDGE.

UNRELENTING PROTESTS OVER NETANYAHU'S PROPOSED JUDICIAL REFORM.

AND A WAVE OF VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK.

I SPEAK TO PALESTINIAN JOURNALIST SHIREEN FALAH SAAB.

>> WHEN YOU THINK OF THE PROFIT OFF PEOPLE'S PAIN, YOU CAN ONLY BE FURIOUS.

>> ARTIST AND ACTIVIST NAN GOLDIN'S PERSONAL QUEST TO HOLD THE POWERFUL TO ACCOUNT FOR THE OPIOID CRISIS.

DIRECTOR LAURA POITRAS JOINS ME ON HER ACCLAIMED NEW FILM "ALL THE BEAUTY AND THE BLOODSHED."

PLUS -- >> IT'S BEEN SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL.

AND FOR EACH ONE OF THESE KIDS THAT I SAW AT THE SHELTER THEY COULD EASILY PUT IN TEN MORE, BUT THERE IS NO SPACE FOR THEM.

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I'M HE BIANNA GOLODRYGA IN NEW YORK SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

ISRAEL IS IN CHAOS.

PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU IS DESPERATELY TRYING TO CALM PROTESTS ROCKING HIS COUNTRY, PROTESTS THAT STARTED AFTER A CONTROVERSIAL DECISION HE NAID TO REFORM THE JUDICIARY.

DEMONSTRATORS ARE BEYOND ANGRY OVER THE MOVE SAYING IT THREATENS THE VERY FOUNDATIONS OF ISRAEL'S DEMOCRACY.

ONE OF THE BILLS WOULD GIVE A SIMPLE MAJORITY IN THE PARLIAMENT THE POWER TO OVERRULE THE SUPREME COURT.

MEANWHILE, VIOLENCE IS FLARING IN THE WEST BANK AND NOW ONE OF NETANYAHU'S SENIOR MINISTERS IS FACING BACKLASH AFTER MAKING INCENDIARY COMMENTS, SAYING THE PALESTINIAN TOWN OF HUWARA, QUOTE, NEEDS TO BE ERASED.

FINANCE MINISTER BEZALEL SMOTRICH MADE THOSE REMARKS JUST DAYS AFTER SETTLERS WENT ON A DEADLY RAMPAGE THERE, SETTING FIRE TO CARS AND HOMES WITH FAMILIES INSIDE.

THE U.S. HAS STRONGLY CONDEMNED THE COMMENTS.

WITH ME NOW TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS IS ARAB JOURNALIST WITH ISRAELI NEWSPAPER "HAARETZ" SHIREEN FALAH SAAB.

SHIREEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THERE'S A LOT TO GET THROUGH HERE.

BEFORE WE GO OVER THE JUDICIARY OVERHAUL LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WEST BANK JUST TO GIVE OUR VIEWERS THE SENSE OF JUST THE PAST FEW DAYS IN THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE.

11 PALESTINIANS WERE KILLED IN IDF RAIDS IN NABLUS LAST WEEK.

THEN TWO ISRAELIS WERE MURDERED ON SUNDAY IN HUWARA JUST SOUTH OF NABLUS.

ONE AMERICAN ISRAELI WAS KILLED IN THE JORDAN VALLEY IN THE EVENING THEN A RAMPAGE OF HUNDREDS OF SETTLERS AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE OPEN THERE IN HUWARA AS REVENGE, KILLING ONE PALESTINIAN, INJURING OVER 100 PEOPLE.

WE'VE GOT DAMAGE TO PROPERTY AND LIVESTOCK AND ANIMALS.

GIVE US A SENSE OF WHY THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, THIS VIOLENCE FROM SETTLERS.

>> HI, BIANNA.

FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO SAY THAT I'M NOT REALLY SURPRISED WHAT HAPPENING NOW IN HUWARA AND NABLUS.

THIS IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF IGNORING THE OCCUPATION FOR A LOT OF YEARS.

THE LAST ESCALATION IT'S ABOUT 400 SETTLEMENTS THAT ATTACK PALESTINIAN PROPERTIES AND THEIR LANDS.

I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I SEE AN ATTACK ON THIS SCALE AND CARRIED OUT IN FRONT OF LARGE POLICE AND ARMY PRESENT AND THESE SETTLEMENTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE MEMBERS OF KNESSET LIKE SMOTRICH AND THEY ARE NOT ARRESTED, UNFORTUNATELY.

AND IF THEY ARE ARRESTED THEY ARE FREE RIGHT NOW.

SO THERE'S NOT A REAL SOLUTION FOR THIS VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS.

AND WE SEE THIS VIOLENCE PROTECTED BY BEN GVIR AND SMOTRICH.

>> IS IT BEING VIEWED AMONG MANY IN ISRAEL, AMONG ISRAELIS, AMONG THE ARAB COMMUNITY THERE AS A WHOLE, THAT THIS IS A GOVERNMENT THAT'S SOMEWHAT CONDONING THIS TYPE OF VIOLENCE?

>> THIS VIOLENCE, AS ARABS THAT LIVE IN ISRAEL, THEY EXPECT THIS VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS BECAUSE THE SECURITY SERVICE, THEY DIDN'T PREPARE ANY KIND FOR POGROM.

THEY DIDN'T PREPARE THEMSELVES AND THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO PREVENT THIS VIOLENCE.

WHETHER OUT OF THE PALESTINIANS OR JUST MAKE SOMETHING TO PREVENT THIS VIOLENCE.

I EXPECTED THIS VIOLENCE AMONG PALESTINIANS.

>> CLEARLY THIS VIOLENCE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN EXPECTED BY ARABS AND THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT THE STATE OF RELATIONS THERE IN THE COUNTRY AND EXPECTATIONS BEING AT A BARE MINIMUM.

BUT MANY ISRAELIS WERE OUTRAGED BY WHAT THEY SAW AND INCREASINGLY OUTRAGED BY THE COMMENTS THAT THEY HEARD FROM THE FINANCE MINISTER.

HE INITIALLY RESPONDED BY LIKING A TWEET THAT SAID THAT HUWARA SHOULD BE ERASED.

HE THEN FOLLOWED UP WITH THESE COMMENTS.

LET'S PLAY THEM.

>> Translator: I THINK THE VILLAGE OF HUWARA NEEDS TO BE ERASED.

I THINK THAT THE STATE OF ISRAEL NEEDS TO DO THIS.

AND GOD FORBID NOT PRIVATE PEOPLE.

>> HE LATER ATTEMPTED TO WALK BACK THOSE STATEMENTS.

WHAT WAS THE REACTION AMONG THE COMMUNITY THERE, PARTICULARLY AMONG PALESTINIANS?

>> WE HAVE TO BE HONEST, BIANNA, WITH OURSELVES.

THIS IS THE REAL FACE OF A MEMBER OF KNESSET.

THIS IS THE REAL FACE OF SMOTRICH.

WE ARE NOT SURPRISED, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE IN THE LAST YEAR SMOTRICH SAY TO THE ARAB MEMBERS OF KNESSET THAT THEY ARE HERE BY MISTAKE BECAUSE BEN GURION, THEY DIDN'T FINISH HIS WORK IN '48.

SO WE'RE EXPECTING THAT.

AND I'M SO SAD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEE ALL THIS VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS AND JUST RIGHT NOW ISRAELI CITIZENS PAY ATTENTION FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE OCCUPATION THAT PALESTINIANS WHO LIVE IN ISRAEL, THEY'RE VERY PAINFUL AND THIS IS THE REASON THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED ALSO IN THE PROTESTS AND DEMONSTRATIONS RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE VERY DISAPPOINTED, BIANNA.

>> WELL, THE UNITED STATES HAS ISSUED A COMMENT VIA THE STATE DEPARTMENT IN RESPONSE TO THE MINISTER'S COMMENTS.

LET'S PLAY THAT.

>> THESE COMMENTS WERE IRRESPONSIBLE.

THEY WERE REPUGNANT.

THEY WERE DISGUSTING.

AND JUST AS WE CONDEMN PALESTINIAN INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE WE CONDEMN THESE PROVOCATIVE REMARKS THAT ALSO AMOUNT TO INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE.

WE CALL ON PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU AND OTHER SENIOR ISRAELI OFFICIALS TO PUBLICLY AND CLEARLY REJECT AND DISAVOW THESE COMMENTS.

>> I BELIEVE THAT MINISTER SMOTRICH WAS PLANNING A TRIP TO THE UNITED STATES.

THESE ARE SIMILAR COMMENTS AND EXPRESSIONS THAT ARE ECHOED AMONGST ISRAELIS, AMONGST PALESTINIANS.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY MORE ADDED PRESSURE WHEN IT COMES FROM THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.

>> I'M NOT SURE FOR THAT.

SMOTRICH, BEN GVIR AND ALSO NETANYAHU, THEY ARE VERY CONCENTRATING ON CHANGING THE LEGAL SYSTEM IN ISRAEL AND DEEPENING THE OCCUPATION AND CONTROLLING THE PALESTINIANS PEOPLE AND LANDS AND KEEP BUILDING CONSTRUCTIONS AND SETTLEMENTS IN THE WEST BANK.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THE UNITED STATES PRESSURE WILL BE AFFECT SMOTRICH.

I THINK THAT SMOTRICH, IT'S A RESULT FROM THE SETTLEMENT, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONTROL AND CHANGE THE LEGAL SYSTEM.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT.

IT'S ABOUT CHANGING THE PRINCIPLES BASED ON THE ISRAELI STATE.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO REALLY DEEPEN THE OCCUPATION AND TO HARM THE MINORITIES, NOT JUST ARABS, ALSO THE LGBT, WOMAN RIGHTS, AND WE SEE THAT IN EVERY -- EVERY CHANGING IN THE LAWS THAT THEY PUT RIGHT NOW IN THE KNESSET.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OTHER MAJOR CRISIS THAT'S IMPACTING THE COUNTRY AND THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE HAVE TO DO WITH THE JUDICIARY REFORMS TO REALLY WEAKEN THE JUDICIARY SYSTEM AND ITS INDEPENDENCE, THAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO ENACT RIGHT NOW.

THERE HAVE BEEN WEEKS OF PROTESTS.

TENS OF THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TAKING TO THE STREET.

YESTERDAY WAS WHAT WAS DUBBED THE DAY OF DISRUPTION.

AND WE SAW?

REAL CLASHES BETWEEN ISRAELI POLICE AND PROTESTERS.

AT LEAST 11 PEOPLE WERE INJURED.

POLICE USING STUN GRENADES, AGGRESSIVE ON THEIR HORSES.

I BELIEVE ONE MAN EVEN LOST AN EAR BECAUSE OF A STUN GRENADE.

TALK ABOUT -- TALK ABOUT YOUR REACTION TO WHAT WAS SEEN YESTERDAY AND SOME OF THESE IMAGES THAT WE'RE NOW SHOWING THAT ARE NOT VERY COMMONPLACE IN ISRAEL TO SEE ISRAELIS PROTESTING WITH FLAGS, YOU KNOW, CLASHING WITH THE POLICE.

>> YES.

I THINK IT'S VERY SAD DAY YESTERDAY BECAUSE PEOPLE -- NORMAL ISRAELI PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE JUST TO PROTECT THE SO-CALLED DEMOCRACY AND JUST TO PREVENT THE COLLAPSE, IT'S A POLITICAL DISASTER AND ETHICAL DISASTER WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING HERE IN ISRAEL.

AND THE FIRST TIME THAT WE SEE IN TEL AVIV THESE CLASHES.

WE ARE USUALLY SEE THESE CLASHES IN THE WEST BANK, IN JENIN AND NABLUS.

BUT WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY, IT'S REALLY HARMFUL ALSO FOR THE ISRAELI PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE ALSO IN THE ARMY AND SERVE IN THE -- AND NORMAL PEOPLE.

WHAT'S INTERESTING, BIANNA, NETANYAHU YESTERDAY SAID HE DID A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE SETTLERS IN HUWARA AND THE PEOPLE WHO PROTEST IN TEL AVIV.

HE SAID THAT THEY ARE SIMILAR.

AND IT'S NOT SIMILAR.

AND NETANYAHU KEEP PRESSING ALSO THE DEMONSTRATION BY THE FORCE.

THIS IS THE BEN GVIR POLICE THAT USING THE FORCE AGAINST ISRAELI PROTESTERS.

AND I SHOULD SAY THAT AN INTERESTING POINT ALSO AND FOR ME AN OPTIMISTIC POINT.

YESTERDAY SOME PROTESTERS SAY FOR THE POLICEMEN WHERE WERE YOU IN HUWARA?

FOR THE FIRST TIME THE ISRAELI CITIZENS THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A REALLY DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE OCCUPATION IN THE WEST BANK AND THE FORCE THAT THEY USED AGAINST PALESTINIANS AND NOW WE SEE IT IN THE HEART OF TEL AVIV.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME THE PROTESTERS ALSO AGAINST THE OCCUPATION, AGAINST THE VIOLENCE THAT SETTLEMENT USED TO -- AGAINST PALESTINIANS.

AS ARAB CITIZEN I'M VERY AFRAID OF THE CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE THE ARAB ARE MINORITY AND THEY WILL BE BE -- NO ONE HAVE TO -- NO ONE CAN PROTECT THE MINORITIES.

AND I THINK THAT YESTERDAY WE SEE FOR THE FIRST TIME KIND OF SOLIDARITY.

AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP RESISTING THE CHANGES THAT NETANYAHU AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF KNESSET STRIVE FOR IT.

>> WHY IS IT THAT THERE -- YOU MENTIONED ARABS THERE AS A MINORITY, THEY MAKE UP ABOUT 20% OF THE POPULATION.

IS IT STRIKING TO YOU THAT NOT MORE ARABS ARE PROTESTING THERE ALONG WITH ISRAELIS?

NOT ONLY OBVIOUSLY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WEST BANK BUT OBVIOUSLY ALSO THE OVERHAUL -- THE ATTEMPTED OVERHAUL OF THE JUDICIARY AND THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AS A WHOLE IN THE COUNTRY.

>> OKAY.

YESTERDAY WE SAW SOME DEMONSTRATIONS IN ARAB VILLAGES LIKE SAKHNIN AND NAZARIN BUT THE REASON THE ARAB PEOPLE PROTEST, BECAUSE THE OCCUPATION.

BUT I THINK THAT THE ARABS ARE VERY PAINFUL FROM THE SUPREME COURT.

WHEN THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED REALLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL THERE IS A REAL DEMOCRACY IN ISRAEL.

IT'S A SYSTEM -- WE HAVE TO BE HONEST TO SAY THAT, THERE IS A RUSTED SYSTEM THAT DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN ARABS AND JEWS.

AND THIS DEMOCRACY THAT JEWISH PROTESTERS WANT TO DEMONSTRATE FOR IS A DEMOCRACY FOR JEWS.

SO THE ARAB PROTESTERS ASKED FOR TO BE -- TO SHARE AND TO BE INVOLVED BUT THEY ALSO SAY THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OCCUPATION, ABOUT THE DISCRIMINATION.

WE NEED DEMOCRACY FOR ALL, TO BE EQUAL FOR ALL.

>> YOU MENTIONED PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU YESTERDAY REALLY COMPARING IN A SENSE WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN IN THE WEST BANK TO THESE PROTESTERS AND CALLING THEM ANARCHISTS.

LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID.

>> Translator: YESTERDAY IN HUWARA AFTER A HORRIBLE MURDER OF TWO WONDERFUL BROTHERS I TOLD LAW BREAKERS THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE A SITUATION WHERE EVERY PERSON WILL DO WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT.

AND I SAY THIS AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE LAW BREAKERS WHO CROSSED A RED LINE TODAY IN TEL AVIV.

WE WILL NOT TOLERATE A SITUATION WHERE A PERSON WILL DO WHAT HE THINKS IS JUST.

>> WHAT'S IRONIC HERE, SHIREEN, IS IT SEEMS BE TO BE THE HARSHEST CONDEMNATION HE HAS AGAINST THE SETTLERS AND WHAT THEY DID IN HUWARA BUT HE'S DOING IT BY COMPARING THEM TO ISRAELIS USING THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST AND CALLING THEM ANARCHISTS.

HOW WAS THAT RECEIVED?

>> WE DON'T ACCEPT WHAT NETANYAHU SAID.

NETANYAHU'S LYING.

WE SHOULD SAY THE TRUTH.

NETANYAHU'S LYING FOR MANY YEARS.

AND THE COMPARING IS JUST ANOTHER MECHANICAL USE THAT HE USE JUST TO PRESS THE PROTESTERS.

AND HE'S LYING ALSO FOR THE VOTERS.

AND WE SHOULD SAY THAT SOME OF THE RIGHT-WING VOTERS, THEY ARE VERY DISAPPOINTED.

WE SEE ALSO PEOPLE FROM THE SETTLEMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE DEMONSTRATION.

SO NETANYAHU FACE -- IS FACING A POLITICAL DISASTER AND HE HAVE -- HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.

HE WILL CALL THE PROTESTERS ANARCHISTS AND HE WILL USE THE FORCE.

BUT I THINK THAT NETANYAHU'S REALLY FACED POLITICAL DISASTER IN HIS COALITION.

IN THE ONE HAND HE -- IN THE ONE HAND HE WANTS TO CONTINUE CHANGING THE LEGAL SYSTEM.

ON THE OTHER HAND HE CALLED YAIR LAPID IN THE OPPOSITION TO BRING THEM TO TALK.

SO HE'S LYING ALL THE TIME.

>> IT'S OBJECTIVELY HONEST AND ACCURATE TO CALL HIM COMPROMISED GIVEN THE SITUATION THAT HE IS IN RIGHT NOW AND THE CORRUPTION -- CORRUPTION CHARGES THAT HE'S FACING AND THE TRIAL THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER WAY.

IS THIS REALLY NOW A QUESTION OF WHETHER HE'S NOW TRYING TO PROTECT HIS OWN BACK AT THE EXPENSE OF THE COUNTRY'S DEMOCRACY?

IS THAT WHERE WE ARE?

>> DEFINITELY.

DEFINITELY THAT NETANYAHU'S INTEREST IS TO -- IT'S INTEREST TO ESCAPE THE TRIAL AGAINST HIM AND EVEN CAUSE THE -- DESTROYING THE LEGAL SYSTEM AND DESTROYING THE COUNTRY.

WE NOW FACE A COLLAPSE IN ISRAEL.

THE FIRST TIME THAT I FACE THE COLLAPSE AND I SEE PEOPLE, THEY'RE REALLY WORRIED.

ARABS, JEWS, ALSO PALESTINIANS IN THE WEST BANK -- >> IT'S -- I'M SORRY, SHIREEN, WE'RE JUST TIGHT FOR TIME.

IT REALLY IS A SOBERING ASSESSMENT OF THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY IS IN RIGHT NOW.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE AND YOU JOINING US TODAY TO TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING AND OFFER YOUR PERSPECTIVE THERE AS A JOURNALIST.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SHIREEN FALAH SAAB.

THANK YOU.

WELL, TURNING NOW TO A DAVID AND GOLIATH STORY.

ONE PHOTOGRAPHER'S PERSONAL MISSION TO HOLD THE POWERFUL TO ACCOUNT FOR THE OPIOID CRISIS.

IT'S THE BASIS OF A NEW DOCUMENTARY "ALL THE BEAUTY AND THE BLOODSHED" FROM DIRECTOR LAURA POITRAS.

THE OSCAR-NOMINATED FILM FOLLOWS ARTIST NAN GOLDIN AND HER FIERCE FIGHT TO CALL OUT THE SACKLER FAMILY AND THE WORLD FAMOUS MUSEUMS WHO'VE TAKEN MONEY FROM THEM AND DISPLAY THEIR NAME.

THE SACKLERS YOU MIGHT RECALL OWNED PURDUE PHARMA WHICH DEVELOPED THE DRUG OXYCONTIN.

NAN GOLDIN IS HERSELF A SURVIVOR OF THE OPIOID ABUSE.

HERE'S A CLIP FROM THE FILM.

>> MY ANGER AT THE SACKLER FAMILY, IT'S PERSONAL.

WHEN YOU THINK OF THE PROFIT OFF PEOPLE'S PAIN.

YOU CAN ONLY BE FURIOUS.

>> NAN SAID I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THESE PEOPLE DOWN.

BUT DO YOU THINK MY CAREER WILL IMPLODE?

AND I SAID PROBABLY.

>> I SPOKE TO DIRECTOR LAURA POITRAS EARLIER FROM NEW YORK.

>> LAURA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME AND TALKING TO US TODAY.

IT IS REALLY A POWERFUL FILM.

WHAT DREW YOU TO THIS STORY INITIALLY?

>> WELL, I MEAN, IT'S AN AMAZING STORY.

NAN GOLDIN, WHO'S RENOWNED IN THE ART WORLD WHOO & WHOSE WORK IS COLLECTED BY ALL THE MAJOR MUSEUMS AROUND THE WORLD, SHE DECIDED AFTER SHE CAME OUT OF RECOVERY FROM AN OXYCONTIN ADDICTION, SHE READ AN ARTICLE BY PATRICK RADDEN KEEFE THAT WAS IN "THE NEW YORKER" THAT DREW THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SACKLER FAMILY, WHO ARE KNOWN AS BEING PHILANTHROPISTS IN MUSEUM SPACES AND ALSO IN UNIVERSITIES, AND THEN ALSO THE SORT OF DARK SECRET OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, ROLE IN THE OVERDOSE CRISIS IN THE UNITED STATES AND MARKETING OF OXYCONTIN, WHICH YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN FOUND TO BE ILLEGAL.

AND SHE JUST FELT IT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR MUSEUMS TO BOTH RECEIVE MONEY FROM THE SACKLERS OR TO PUT THEIR NAME ON THESE -- ON THE WINGS OF MUSEUMS.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LONG -- IT WAS A LONG STRUGGLE.

AND THE FIRST ACTION THEY DID WAS AT THE MET MUSEUM.

WHERE THEY -- A GROUP OF ACTIVISTS THAT ARE -- SHE CREATED AN ORGANIZATION CALLED P.A.I.N.

WHICH STANDS FOR PRESCRIPTION ADDICTION INTERVENTION NOW.

AND THEY STAGED THIS BIG ACTION AT THE MET TO CALL ATTENTION.

AND IT GOT A LOT OF OF MEDIA ATTENTION BUT IT DIDN'T BRING DOWN THE NAME IMMEDIATELY.

IT WAS A LONG HARD FIGHT, ABOUT FOUR YEARS, BEFORE THE MUSEUMS FINALLY DID THE RIGHT THING.

>> PATRICK RADDEN KEEFE, WE SHOULD MENTION, IS IN THE FILM AS WELL AND IS INTERVIEWED.

AND HE OBVIOUSLY IS THE AUTHOR OF "EMPIRE OF PAIN," A CHRONICLE OF THE SACKLER FAMILY AND THEIR ROLE IN THE OPIOID CRISIS HERE IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY.

TELL ME ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH NAN.

SHE IS A FIGHTER.

SHE IS -- SHE'S FIRE, ACTUALLY.

>> YEAH.

>> HOW DID YOU GET HER TO OPEN UP TO YOU ABOUT HER LIFE?

>> I MEAN, NAN'S A LEGEND IN THE ART WORLD AND SHE'S A LEGEND IN CINEMA AND FILM BECAUSE HER WORK HAS BEEN SO INFLUENTIAL FOR SO MANY GENERATIONS.

AND I, WHEN I WAS STUDYING FILMMAKING I WAS STUDYING ALSO NAN'S WORK.

BOTH THE BALLAD OF SEXUAL DEPENDENCY WHICH IS HER MOST WELL-KNOWN WORK THAT WAS RELEASED BOTH AS A BOOK, AND MOST OF HER WORK IS KNOWN FOR THESE SLIDE SHOWS WHERE SHE HAS 35-MILLIMETER SLIDES THAT SHE EDITS TO MUSIC.

AND THESE ARE REALLY CINEMATIC EXPERIENCES.

SO I'VE ALWAYS BEEN MOVED BY HER WORK.

HER WORK IS ABOUT GENDER, SEXUALITY, QUEER IDENTITY, TRANS IDENTITY.

IT SORT OF DOCUMENTS SUBCULTURES, PEOPLE WHO MAYBE SOCIETY THINKS ARE ON THE MARGIN BUT THEY ACTUALLY ARE AT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE IN NAN'S WORK.

SO I'VE KNOWN HER WORK FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

AND WHEN SHE STARTED DOING THESE ACTIONS I THOUGHT IT WAS REMARKABLE THAT SOMEBODY WITH HER POSITION IN THE ART WORLD WAS RISKING ALL THIS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A RISK TO TAKE ON THE INSTITUTIONS YOU CARE ABOUT.

SHE LOVES MUSEUMS.

BUT ALSO THE RISK -- THE SACKLER FAMILY IS A BILLIONAIRE FAMILY.

THEY HAVE ARMIES OF LAWYERS.

THEY HAVE PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS.

AND TO TAKE ALL OF THAT ON.

AND SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE REALLY INTERESTING TO ME AS A FILMMAKER.

SHE STARTED ACTUALLY DOCUMENTING THE WORK BEFORE I JOINED, AND THEN SHE INVITED ME TO JOIN THE FILM.

>> WE SEE SOME OF HER ART IN THIS FILM.

FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH HER, TALK ABOUT THE INFLUENCE THAT SHE HAD, HER CAREER AND HER TALENT IN THE ART WORLD AS A WHOLE BECAUSE SHE REALLY LIFTED THE VEIL ON REALLY TABOO SUBJECTS AT THE TIME.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, SO THE FIRST MAJOR BODY OF WORK THAT SHE DID WAS FILMED IN BOSTON AT A BAR CALLED THE OTHER SIDE.

AND IT WAS DOCUMENTING TRANS AND QUEER COMMUNITIES.

BEAUTIFUL BODY OF WORK.

INCREDIBLY JUST SO BEAUTIFUL, BLACK AND WHITE.

AND THEN SHE MOVED TO NEW YORK AND SHE WAS DOCUMENTING HER COMMUNITY OF FRIENDS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT NAN IS THAT SHE'S NOT AN OUTSIDER.

SHE'S FILMING THE PEOPLE SHE KNOWS, LOVES, HER ROOMMATES, HER LOVERS, HER DEEP AND CLOSE FRIENDS LIKE DAVID ARMSTRONG, COOKIE MUELLER.

JOHN WATERS WAS SOMEBODY SHE PHOTOGRAPHED.

IT'S REALLY SORT OF A REMARKABLE DEPICTION OF AN ARTIST SCENE AND A SCENE THAT JUST DIDN'T REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT MAINSTREAM SOCIETY WAS INTERESTED IN.

AND JUST SO CINEMATIC, THE SENSE OF LIGHTING, MISE EN SCENE, HER EDITING.

ALL THOSE THINGS.

YOU REALLY -- IT'S REMARKABLE WORK.

AND IT CAN BE SEEN BOTH IN BOOKS, SORT OF AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO WANT TO SEE HER WORK.

BUT THE BEST WAY TO SEE IT IS OF COURSE AS SLIDE SHOWS.

>> AND SHE USES HER STATURE AND HER CLOUT REALLY AS A WAY TO FORCE MUSEUMS AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT CARRY HER WORK AND KNOW HER NAME AND KNOW HER REPUTATION TO FACE JUDGMENT WITH THE OPIOID CRISIS AND THE SACKLER NAME THAT IS EXHIBITED IN SO MANY OF THESE MUSEUMS AND INSTITUTIONS.

I WANT TO SHOW A CLIP FROM THE FILM OF ONE OF THE PROTESTS THAT SHE STAGED AT THE GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM IN 2019 ALONG WITH P.A.I.N., HER GROUP.

>> ARE WE READY?

>> YEAH.

[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] >> I WAS AT THE BOTTOM LOOKING UP AND I CHECKED OUT FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING UP AT THE PRESCRIPTION SLIPS AND JUST LIKE IN AWE OF THE VISUAL THAT IT CREATED.

[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] >> EXPLAIN TO US WHAT WE JUST SAW.

THESE WERE PRESCRIPTION SLIPS THAT WERE FALLING.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

I MEAN, IT'S A REMARKABLE SCENE.

SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE HAVE BEEN ONGOING LEGAL CASES AGAINST PURDUE PHARMA AND THE SACKLERS.

AND THE MASSACHUSETTS A.G. GOT A BUNCH OF DOCUMENTS IN DISCOVERY FROM THE SACKLERS WHICH INCLUDED THESE HORRIFIC QUOTES BY RICHARD SACKLER, THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF PURDUE PHARMA, SAYING THINGS WE NEED TO HAMMER ON THE ABUSER AND WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A BLIZZARD OF PRESCRIPTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BEAT THE COMPETITION.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY RELEASED OXYCONTIN, WHICH JUST SORT OF -- THEY WERE SO DRIVEN BY MONEY AND PROFIT WHEN THEY PROMOTED THIS DRUG, WHEN THEY RELEASED IT.

AND SO THEY TOOK THESE QUOTES AND THEY QUOTED RICHARD SACKLER AND THEY MADE THESE FAKE PRESCRIPTION SLIPS.

AND THEN THE ACTIVISTS FROM NAN'S GROUP CALLED P.A.I.N., PRESCRIPTION ADDICTION INTERVENTION NOW, THEY WENT TO THE ROTUNDA AND THEY STARTED JUST DROPPING THESE PRESCRIPTION SLIPS AND THEN THEY STARTED TO FALL.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE HUNDREDS MUCH ACTIVISTS BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A VERY SMALL GROUP AND THEY PUT THESE BANNERS AND THEN THEY STAGED A DIE-IN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ROTUNDA.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A REALLY REMARKABLE ACTION.

IT WAS COVERED BY ALL OF THE MEDIA.

AND THIS I THINK WAS THE TIPPING POINT.

THIS WAS ABOUT A YEAR AFTER NAN FIRST CREATED THE ORGANIZATION.

SO THEY'D BEEN VERY DILIGENTLY TRYING TO BRING ATTENTION TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE SACKLER NAME.

AND THEN AFTER THIS WAS WHEN THE NATIONAL PORTRAIT GALLERY IN LONDON, NAN WAS SET TO DO A RETROSPECTIVE AND SHE SAID I WON'T DO A RETROSPECTIVE WITH YOU UNLESS YOU REFUSE SACKLER DONATIONS.

AND THEY REFUSED A $1.3 MILLION DONATION FROM THE SACKLERS.

AND THEN THAT WAS LIKE THE DOMINO.

EVERYTHING STARTED TO FALL AFTER THAT.

SO ALL THE MUSEUMS SAID OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE MONEY ANYMORE FROM THE SACKLER FAMILY.

BUT THE NAME STILL REMAINED AND THERE WAS -- AND THEN THAT BECAME THE FIGHT FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS, TWO TO THREE YEARS.

AND IT WAS A HUGE DECISION TO MAKE TO STAGE THESE PROTESTS.

YOU COULD SENSE, SHE SAYS IT IN THE FILM, HOW NERVOUS SHE WAS GOING INTO IT.

WE SHOULD NOTE THAT WE REACHED OUT TO REPRESENTATIVES OF THE SACKLER FAMILY FOR COMMENT, HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE FOR THEM IN TIME FOR THIS INTERVIEW RIGHT NOW.

WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO PURDUE PHARMA.

I WANT TO READ FOR YOU THEIR STATEMENT.

THEY HAVE SAID, "WE HAVE THE GREATEST SYMPATHY AND RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE OPIOID CRISIS AND WE ARE CURRENTLY FOCUSED ON CONCLUDING OUR BANKRUPTCY SO THAT URGENTLY NEEDED FUNDS CAN FLOW TO ADDRESS THE CRISIS.

THE SETTLEMENT WILL DELIVER OVER $10 BILLION OF VALUE FOR OPIOID CRISIS ABATEMENT, OVERDOSE RESCUE MEDICINES AND VICTIM COMPENSATION.

IN FACT, OUR SETTLEMENT IS THE ONLY OPIOID SETTLEMENT TO DATE WHERE INDIVIDUAL VICTIMS GET PAID."

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THE VARIOUS SACKLER CONCERNS IN THEIR REACTION TO THE FILM AND THEIR STATEMENTS?

>> I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE THEM AS CONCERNS.

I MEAN, PATRICK RADDEN KEEFE REALLY DOES LAY OUT A VERY STRONG ARGUMENT.

PURDUE PHARMA AND THE SACKLERS KNEW FOR OVER TWO DECADES THAT THIS DRUG WAS BEING -- WAS KILLING PEOPLE, WAS GETTING PEOPLE ADDICTED AND THAT THEY WERE DYING.

AND THEY CONTINUED TO AGGRESSIVELY MARKET IT TO MAKE MORE AND MORE AND MORE MONEY.

AND THEN WHEN THEY STARTED TO FEEL THE PRESSURE FROM THE GOVERNMENT, FROM THE LAWSUITS, THEY PULLED THEIR MONEY OUT OF THE COMPANY.

AND THEN DECLARED BANKRUPTCY.

I MEAN, IT'S A REALLY -- IT'S A TROUBLING STORY ABOUT AMERICA BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH IS THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY MEANINGFUL ACCOUNTABILITY.

I MEAN, PURDUE PHARMA HAS TWICE PLED GUILTY TO FEDERAL CRIMES FOR THEIR PROMOTION OF OXYCONTIN AND YET NOT A SINGLE SACKLER FAMILY MEMBER WHO OWNED THE COMPANY HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH CRIMES OR HAD THEMSELVES TO DECLARE BANKRUPTCY.

SO I THINK IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC.

AMERICA -- THE OVERDOSE CRISIS HAS AFFECTED SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.

THE DEATH TOLL IS OVER HALF A MILLION.

IT'S JUST INCREASING.

LAST YEAR IT WAS OVER 100,000 ALONE.

SO IT'S DEVASTATED THE COUNTRY AND THE MARKETING OF OXYCONTIN REALLY FUELED THIS.

>> AND HAS RUINED FAMILIES.

HAS GUTTED FAMILIES.

AS YOU SAID, MILLIONS OF VICTIMS INVOLVED HERE.

NAN BEING JUST ONE OF THEM.

I WAS REALLY -- I WAS REALLY SHOCKED, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE DESCRIBED IN DETAIL ABOUT HER ADDICTION, WHICH BEGAN IN 2014 AFTER SHE HAD UNDERGONE SURGERY.

SHE SAID SHE COULD NEVER GET ENOUGH PILLS AND SHE SAID SHE WENT FROM TAKING THREE PILLS A DAY TO 18.

I MEAN, THAT JUST GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHAT PEOPLE WERE ENDURING AT THE TIME.

AND SHE CONTINUES TO BE ON HER ROAD TO RECOVERY.

IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU APPROACHED THIS AS A DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH KIND OF PIECE AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FASCINATING ENOUGH TO JUST FOCUS ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR ISSUE, THAT HER ADDICTION AND STRUGGLES WITH OPIOIDS AND THEN THE CHALLENGES THEN AND HER TASK OF TAKING ON THE SACKLER FAMILY AND PURDUE PHARMA.

BUT YOU DECIDED TO EXPAND BEYOND THAT AND TALK ABOUT HER LIFE IN GENERAL, A FASCINATING LIFE BUT A LIFE THAT WAS ALSO FILLED WITH TRAGEDY AS WELL, SEXUAL ABUSE, REALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY, AND AN OLDER SISTER WHO SUFFERED A GREAT DEAL AND HAD MANY STRUGGLES IN THE 1960s BEFORE ULTIMATELY TAKING HER OWN LIFE.

TALK ABOUT YOUR DECISION TO TAKE ALL OF THIS ON.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD SAY IT'S IMPORTANT, THIS IS SOMETHING IF NAN WAS SITTING HERE WITH ME, THAT IT'S REALLY -- I MEAN, SHE COMES THROUGH ALL OF HER WORK FROM A POSITION OF STRENGTH.

AND BUT HER WORK IS ALSO VERY AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL.

AND WHEN I STARTED THE FILM I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO LOOK AT THE ACTIVISM, I WAS INTERESTED IN THAT.

BUT HER ART IS JUST SO INCREDIBLE.

AND THERE'S A -- YOU KNOW, SHE BRINGS A SORT OF INTENSITY, RAWNESS AND AN EMOTIONAL DEPTH TO HER PHOTOGRAPHY THAT I WAS HOPING WE COULD ALSO EXPLORE IN THE FILM AND WE DID THESE REALLY INTENSE INTERVIEWS.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT -- IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT THE FILM LOOK AT, YOU KNOW -- THAT THERE ARE TRAGEDIES IN THIS FILM BUT IT'S REALLY ALSO A CELEBRATION OF ART AND THE POWER OF ART AS EXPRESSION AND ALSO LIKE ART AS SURVIVAL, AS A MEANS OF SURVIVAL.

THAT'S HOW NAN DESCRIBED THAT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE WORK.

WHEN SHE SORT OF DISCOVERS A CAMERA WHEN SHE'S, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS OLD, SHE'S GIVEN A POLAROID CAMERA AND SHE TALKS ABOUT IT LITERALLY GIVING HER A VOICE.

SO I'M REALLY INTERESTED ALSO IN -- THE TITLE OF THE FILM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST THE BLOODSHED, RIGHT?

IT'S ALL THE BEAUTY.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF SORT OF CELEBRATION OF PEOPLE WHO -- THAT ART IS A WAY TO SORT OF COUNTER SOME OF THE DARKER FORCES IN SOCIETY.

>> AND THE THROUGH LINE THROUGHOUT THE FILM REALLY IS HER OLDER SISTER BARBARA, AS WE HAD NOTED.

AND THE TITLE OF THE FILM CAME FROM HER OWN WORDS THAT SHE HAD WRITTEN SHORTLY BEFORE SHE DIED.

THERE'S A REALLY TOUCHING MOMENT WHERE NAN HAD FILMED AN EXCHANGE WITH HER PARENTS SO MANY YEARS LATER AND HER MOM GIVES US AND YOU SEE THOSE WRITTEN WORDS BY HER SISTER.

THE FILM IS REALLY DEDICATED TO BARBARA IN A WAY TOO AND THE INFLUENCE SHE HAD ON NAN'S LIFE.

>> YEAH.

ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, NAN HAS DEDICATED ALL OF HER ARTWORK TO HER SISTER BARBARA, WHO WAS INSTITUTIONALIZED AS A YOUNG WOMAN, YOUNG TEENAGER.

SHE HAPPENED TO HAVE BEEN BORN AT A TIME IN THE '50s, CAME OF AGE IN THE '50s WHEN IT WASN'T OKAY TO BE SEXUAL OR TO BE OUTSPOKEN AS A GIRL AND SHE WAS INSTITUTIONALIZED MANY TIMES.

AND NAN HAS ALWAYS DEDICATED HER WORK TO BARBARA AND THIS FILM IS VERY MUCH DEDICATED TO BARBARA.

>> YEAH, IT'S QUITE BEAUTIFUL, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT SHE DESCRIBES.

IT WAS REALLY SHORT-LIVED BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM BUT SO MEMORABLE.

HOW IS NAN DOING TODAY?

I THOUGHT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT SHE HAD DOCUMENTED THAT SHE IN HER ROAD TO RECOVERY IS BEING HELPED BY THE USE OF OTHER MEDICATION AS WELL.

>> I WOULD SAY -- SO NAN, LIKE ALL OF HER WORK IS -- SHE DRAWS UPON HER LIFE TO HOPEFULLY DESTIGMATIZE CERTAIN ISSUES.

SO SHE DECIDED TO TALK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS IN THIS FILM BECAUSE SHE THINKS -- SHE HOPES THAT IT DESTIGMATIZES THEM AND THEN ALSO SHIFTS WHERE WE THINK SOCIETY.

AND SO SHE TALKS ABOUT THINGS LIKE BUPNORPHINE WHICH IS A DRUG THAT HELPS PEOPLE TRYING TO DEAL WITH OPIOID ADDICTION.

SO SHE TALKS ABOUT THAT IN THE FILM.

BUT THAT WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS DECISION TO SAY I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING AND THERE IS SO MUCH STIGMA AROUND THESE ISSUES.

SO IT'S A REALLY BRAVE AND ALSO POLITICAL GESTURE OF HERS TO TALK ABOUT THESE VERY PERSONAL DETAILS.

AND THE HOPE IS IT BRINGS SORT OF COMFORT AND KNOWLEDGE TO OTHER PEOPLE.

>> A VOICE FOR SO MANY OUT THERE.

LAURA POITRAS, PU SO MUCH FOR THE FILM AND FOR TALKING TO US ABOUT IT.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU.

IT WAS GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> AND IF YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW IS IN NEED OF HELP IN THE U.S. YOU CAN CALL OR TEXT 988 TO REACH THE SUICIDE AND CRISIS LIFELINE FOR CONFIDENTIAL SUPPORT.

AND FOR ANYONE OUTSIDE THE U.S. A WORLDWIDE DIRECTORY OF RESOURCES AND HOTLINES IS PROVIDE BY THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR SUICIDE PREVENTION.

YOU CAN ALSO TURN TO THE GLOBAL ORGANIZATION BEFRIENDERS.

AND "ALL THE BEAUTY AND THE BLOODSHED" IS CURRENTLY PLAYING IN SELECT THEATERS AND WILL LAUNCH ON HBO AND HBO MAX ON MARCH 19th.

WE TURN NOW TO A RARE MEETING IN INDIA.

U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN AND HIS RUSSIAN COUNTERPART SERGEY LAVROV MET FACE TO FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE UKRAINE WAR BEGAN.

IT HAPPENED ON THE SIDELINES OF THE G20 FOREIGN MINISTERS MEETING.

AND THEY SPOKE FOR TEN MINUTES ACCORDING TO ONE STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL.

IT COMES AS THE WAR CONTINUES TO RAGE, ESPECIALLY NEAR THE KEY EASTERN CITY OF BAKHMUT.

RUSSIAN FORCES ARE MAKING GAINS THERE ACCORDING TO THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY, AND FEARS ARE GROWING IN THE TOWN OF CHASIV YAR, WHICH COULD BE RUSSIA'S NEXT TARGET.

FROM THERE ALEX MARQUARDT REPORTS.

>> Reporter: THIS IS THE ROAD ON THE WAY TO BAKHMUT.

CARS, MILITARY VEHICLES, BOMBING UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD GOING TO YOU SEE THIS ARMORED VEHICLE RIGHT HERE.

THE V SIGN FOR VICTORY.

THERE ARE STILL SOME PEOPLE HERE, NOT TOO MANY, BUT SOME OF THESE HARDY RESIDENTS HAVE STAYED BEHIND.

THIS IS THE SHOP OF SEVIUSH WHO IS HERE GRILLING MEET, SHASHLIK.

HE ACTUALLY FLED FROM BAKHMUT TWO MONTHS AGO AND HAS OPENED UP THE SHOP SELLING BASICS LIKE BANANAS, BEET ROOT AND CANDLES.

THERE'S ANOTHER MAN WHO WE JUST MET WHOSE DAUGHTER IS STILL IN BAKHMUT, ONE OF THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THERE WHO HAVE BEEN ASKED TO EVACUATE BUT ARE STILL IN THE CITY AMID THIS INCREDIBLE FIGHTING.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'VE PUT UP WOOD THERE TO PROTECT THOSE WINDOWS.

SO MUCH DESTRUCTION IN THIS TOWN.

WE WERE JUST FARTHER IN THE CENTER OF TOWN.

IT'S CALLED CHASIV YAR.

THIS IS ONE TOWN OVER FROM BAKHMUT WITH A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE AT A BUS STOP, WAITING FOR A WATER DELIVERY THAT NEVER CAME.

EVERY FEW MOMENTS YOU CAN HEAR EXPLOSIONS, THE SOUND OF WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE OUTGOING ARTILLERY FIRE, UKRAINIANS FIRING AT RUSSIAN POSITIONS.

WE SPOKE WITH AN OLDER WOMAN NAMED VALENTINA WHO SAID THERE IS SO MUCH FLYING OVER THEIR HEADS THAT SHE IS SCARED ALL THE TIME, THAT THEY ARE SO CLOSE TO THE RUSSIAN POSITIONS -- THAT'S MORE OUTGOING ARTILLERY FIRE.

THEY ARE SO CLOSE TO THE RUSSIAN POSITIONS THAT THEY CAN WALK THERE.

WE ALSO SPOKE WITH SOME UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS LIKE THESE ONES WHO MAN ONE OF THOSE ARTILLERY POSITIONS.

THEY TOLD US THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO ORDER TO PULL BACK FROM BAKHMUT, THAT THEY'RE FIGHTING BECAUSE IF THEY GIVE UP BAKHMUT, THIS TOWN, CHASIV YAR, THIS WOULD BE NEXT.

AND THAT IS WHAT EVERYONE IS THINKING NOW, THAT IF RUSSIA WERE TO TAKE BAKHMUT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ANOTHER FOOTHOLD IN THIS REGION FROM WHICH TO TRY TO PUSH FARTHER INTO EASTERN UKRAINE.

>> OUR THANKS TO ALEX MARQUARDT FOR THAT REPORTING THERE.

AND OUR NEXT GUEST HAS DOCUMENTED LIFE IN EASTERN UKRAINE FOR YEARS.

AWARD-WINNING DIRECTOR SIMON LERENG WILMONT'S LATEST DOCUMENTARY "A HOUSE MADE OF SPLINTERS" HAS RECEIVED CRITICAL ACCLAIM.

HE PROFILES UKRAINIAN CHILDREN LIVING IN A HALFWAY HOUSE AFTER THEIR PARENTS ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO CARE FOR THEM.

IT PREMIERED JUST WEEKS BEFORE RUSSIA'S FULL-SCALE INVASION OF UKRAINE.

SIMON JOINS HARRI SREENIVASAN TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS OF MAKING THIS POWERFUL AND RAW DOCUMENTARY.

>> BIANNA, THANKS.

SIMON WILMONT, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

FIRST FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN THE FILM TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT IT IS ABOUT.

>> "A HOUSE MADE OF SPLINTERS" IS A DOCUMENTARY FILM ABOUT A VERY SPECIAL KIND OF LIKE HALFWAY HOUSE FOR KIDS WHOSE PARENTS ARE NOT ABLE LONGER TO TAKE CARE OF THEM ALONG THE NORTHERN PARTS OF THE FRONT LINE IN 2020 IN EASTERN UKRAINE.

>> THERE WERE SO MANY DIFFERENT STORIES IN THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS COMING OUT ABOUT UKRAINE, AND THIS WAS KIND OF THE FIRST TIME I'D EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN DISPLACED INSIDE THE COUNTRY FOR OTHERWISE THAN NORMAL NON-WAR REASONS.

WHAT WERE SOME OF THE REASONS YOU SAW REPEATEDLY OF WHY THESE CHILDREN WERE IN THIS HALFWAY HOUSE?

>> WELL, MOSTLY IT'S DUE TO THEIR PARENTS STRUGGLING WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE OF VARIOUS KIND.

MOST OF THEM ALCOHOL.

THERE MIGHT ALSO BE DOMESTIC ABUSE BUT THERE'S ALSO PTSD RUNNING IN THE FAMILIES OR TRAUMA FROM WHEN THE WAR FLARED UP IN 2015.

SO IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHERE THE SOCIAL ISSUES THAT WERE EXISTING IS KIND OF LIKE SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL.

ALSO BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD A WAR GOING ON IN THEIR BACK YARD FOR SO LONG.

>> SO AS YOU'RE POINTING OUT THERE, THAT REALLY SINCE 2015 THERE ARE SO MANY PARENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISPLACED, UNEMPLOYED, TRAUMATIZED, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THEY MIGHT TURN TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE TO TRY TO, I DON'T KNOW, MEDICATE THEMSELVES.

HERE'S THIS HUGE POPULATION OF CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING IN OR I GUESS BEING SHIPPED OFF TO ORPHANAGES.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

MARGARITA AND OLGA, THE TWO CAREGIVERS OF THE SHELTER, THEY TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, THAT A FEW YEARS AGO THE PROBLEM, THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULD HANDLE.

BUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IT'S BEEN ALMOST SPIRALING OUT OF CONTROL.

AND FOR EACH ONE OF THESE KIDS THAT I SAW AT THE SHELTER THEY COULD EASILY PUT IN TEN MORE BUT THERE IS NO SPACE FOR THEM.

>> THERE ARE THESE REALLY POIGNANT MOMENTS WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF THE FLY ON THE WALL AND YOU'RE WATCHING FRIENDSHIPS BLOSSOM AND END.

AND LITERALLY FROM THE MINUTE A YOUNG GIRL IS ASKING ANOTHER ONE IF SHE WANTS TO BE HER BEST FRIEND TO THE MOMENT WHERE ONE OF THEM GOES OFF AND THE OTHER ONE IS STILL THERE.

YOU EMPATHIZE WITH EACH OF THESE CHARACTERS, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE IT'S THEIR REAL LIVES.

I WONDER HOW IT WAS FOR YOU TO WATCH THAT AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE YOUNG WOMEN.

>> I HAVE TWO KIDS ROUGHLY THE SAME AGE.

SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S LIKE A VERY SORROWFUL EXPERIENCE WATCHING RAW EMOTIONAL SCENES LIKE THIS PLAY OUT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.

BUT WHAT THE CAREGIVERS ALSO TOLD ME WAS THAT IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS IT'S SO IMPORTANT WHEN THE KIDS ARE FACED WITH GRIEF AND WITH SADNESS THAT I AS AN ADULT, EVEN THOUGH I MIGHT BE CRYING INSIDE, I SHOULD ALWAYS TRY TO ASSUME SOME KIND OF STABLE COMFORT AND BE LIKE A ROCK THAT THEY CAN LEAN ON, AND THEN I CAN HIDE MY OWN FEELINGS AND TAKE CARE OF THEM LATER BECAUSE IN THAT MOMENT IT'S THE KIDS THAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

>> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE YOUNG BOY THAT YOU PROFILE, BECAUSE HE IS SORT OF AN INTERESTING CHARACTER THAT AS A VIEWER HE'S COMPLICATED.

TELL ME ABOUT HIM.

>> YEAH, WHEN I FIRST SAW KOLYA, WHO'S 13 YEARS OLD, HE'S ON A PATH TO JAIL.

HE WAS SHOPLIFTING, STEALING.

HE WAS SMOKING CIGARETTES AND HE WAS TRYING TO CLIMB THE HIERARCHY OF THE OLDER BOYS AT THE SHELTER, EVEN DOING TATTOOS AND STUFF.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS HIM BEING REALLY GOOD AT THAT WORLD I ALSO NOTICED THAT HE WAS SO KIND AND HE WAS SO GENTLE WITH HIS TWO YOUNGER SIBLINGS, ALMOST LIKE A FATHER FIGURE FOR THEM EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ONLY 13.

AND THAT -- YOU KNOW, THAT CONTRAST IN A CHARACTER I FOUND WAS IMMENSELY FASCINATING.

>> THERE'S ALSO THIS OTHER DIMENSION.

YOU HAVE A SCENE WHERE THEIR MOTHER COMES AND YOU JUST REMEMBER THAT THIS IS JUST STILL A LITTLE BOY.

I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SHOWING US SCENES OF HOW HE'S TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS SIBLINGS, THERE'S THIS REALLY HE'S JUST BURYING HIS HEAD INTO THE NECK OF HIS MOM.

>> YEAH.

IT WAS AN AMAZING MOMENT ALSO TO SEE BECAUSE UNTIL THAT POINT HE HAD MOSTLY BEEN THE TOUGH GUY AND HE WAS, YOU KNOW, WISE BEYOND HIS YEARS.

HE WAS USED TO TAKING CARE OF HIMSELF AND HIS SIBLINGS WHEN HIS MOM AND HIS VARIOUS STEPDADS WASN'T AROUND OR WEREN'T ABLE TO.

SO HE HAD LIKE A VERY STRONG FACADE, AND IN THIS MOMENT SHE DISCOVERS THAT HE HAD BEEN HARMING HIMSELF A LITTLE BIT AS A CRY FOR ATTENTION PROBABLY.

AND WHEN SHE CONFRONTS HIM WITH THAT, THAT'S WHERE HIS BARRIER BREAKS DOWN BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE'S A MOM TO HIM.

SHE'S ACTING AS A MOM IS SUPPOSED TO DO.

AND I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT BROKE HIS SHELL DOWN IN THAT MOMENT.

>> THERE IS A SCENE WHERE KOLYA IS READING TO HIS LITTLE SIBLINGS AND IT'S "THE SCORPION AND THE FROG."

>> YEAH.

THAT IS HIS LIFE.

UNTIL NOW THE ONLY ONE KOLYA, THAT HE CAN TRUST IS HIMSELF.

AND THAT'S HIS CREDO IN LIFE.

AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CAREGIVERS I KNOW HAVE BEEN WORKING ON CHANGING THAT WHILE HE WAS AT THE SHELTER.

BUT ALSO NOW I HOPE THAT HIS NEW FOSTER FAMILY WILL ALSO BEGIN TO WORK WITH KOLYA AND SHOW HIM THAT THE GOOD PEOPLE, IF YOU SURROUND YOURSELF WITH GOOD PEOPLE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU CAN TRUST ACTUALLY.

>> WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM AFTER THE FILM?

WE SEE AT THE END OF THE FILM THAT HE'S SHIFTED OFF TO AN ORPHANAGE AND HIS SIBLINGS ARE LEFT BEHIND.

WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM AND HIS SIBLINGS?

>> HIS SIBLINGS, ALL FOUR OF THEM, WE ONLY SEE TWO IN THE FILM BUT ALL FOUR OF THEM WERE ADOPTED BY A FAMILY, A LOCAL FAMILY.

BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ROOM FOR KOLYA, SO HE WAS NOT ADOPTED.

HE WAS SENT TO A STATE ORPHANAGE.

BUT LUCKILY, AS NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, THE FOSTER FAMILIES SEVER ANY FAMILY TIES OR CONNECTIONS.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE FILM THEY ACTUALLY ALLOWED KOLYA TO KEEP IN CONTACT WITH HIS SIBLINGS WHILE HE WAS AT THE ORPHANAGE, WHICH WAS REALLY GREAT BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO VERY CLOSE TO THE ORPHANAGE.

BUT AS OF THE 24th HE WAS PUT ON A TRAIN VERY EARLY ON ZPRICHB WESTWARD AND LATER INTO EUROPE ACTUALLY ON A TEMPORARY ORPHANAGE, AND THAT BROKE THE CONTACT WITH THE FOSTER FAMILY.

NOW JUST I THINK MAYBE 1 1/2 MONTH AGO KOLYA WAS ADOPTED AND HE'S BACK IN KYIV WITH A SEEMINGLY REALLY GOOD AND RESOURCEFUL FAMILY AND THEY'VE PROMISED ME HAND OVER HEART THAT THEY WILL DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO RE-ESTABLISH THAT CONTACT WITH HIS LOST SIBLINGS.

>> WOW.

TELL ME ALSO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE YOUNG GIRL.

WHEN SHE SITS DOWN, THERE'S THIS REALLY POIGNANT SCENE BETWEEN HER AND THE WOMAN WHO MAY BECOME HER FOSTER MOM.

THAT ENTIRE EXCHANGE.

YOU JUST -- YOU'RE WATCHING WHAT COULD BE A PIVOTAL MOMENT IN THIS YOUNG GIRL'S LIFE.

>> YEAH.

SHE'S TAKEN TO SEE THIS LADY PROCESS THAT YOU DON'T SEE ALL OF THE PROCESS PLAY OUT IN THIS FILM.

BUT IT'S THE FIRST STEP IN A VERY LONG PROCESS OF MEETINGS BETWEEN BOTH A POTENTIAL FOSTER MOM AND THEN SASHA THE YOUNG GIRL WHO'S ONLY 10 AT THAT TIME IN HER LIFE.

AND IT'S A SIMPLE SCENE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SITTING OPPOSITE OF EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, BOTH EYEING EACH OTHER BUT ALSO TRYING TO FIND SOME COMMON THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.

AND IN BETWEEN THE SCENES YOU CAN -- BETWEEN THE WORDS THAT THEY EXCHANGE YOU CAN ALSO FEEL THAT THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY GOING ON.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME.

DO WE LIKE EACH OTHER?

DON'T WE LIKE EACH OTHER?

HOW'S OUR RELATIONSHIP GOING TO BE?

>> YEAH.

AND HOW WAS IT TO TRY TO WIN THE TRUST OF THESE CHILDREN WHO WERE ALREADY IN A PLACE THAT'S -- I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR A CHILD TO BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND ALSO IN THE CONTEXT OF KNOWING THAT THERE'S A WAR AND NOT KNOWING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

>> WELL, I DO MY OWN CINEMATOGRAPHY.

AND ACTUALLY JUST COMING INTO THE SHELTER, JUST KIND OF ALMOST LIKE A ONE-MAN BAND, I THINK IT'S -- IT WAS ACTUALLY RELATIVELY EASY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE KIDS.

THEY WERE CURIOUS AS TO WHO I WAS AND WHAT I WAS DOING THERE.

AND TO WIN THEIR TRUST I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT I WAS SPENDING A LOT OF TIME KEEPING REMINDING THEM THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU DENT WANT ME TO FILM JUST PUT UP YOUR HAND, SAY STOP, OR JUST WALK AWAY.

AND IN THOSE INCIDENTS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT OBVIOUSLY I WOULD HONOR MY WORD AND I WOULD STOP FILMING.

AND OVER TIME THAT CREATES THAT MUTUAL TRUST THAT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR WHEN THE MORE RAW EMOTIONAL MOMENTS HAPPENS THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M NOT JUST A VOYEUR, YOU KNOW, I'M SIMON AND I'M ALSO ONE THAT THEY CAN GO OVER AND THEY CAN -- THEY HAVE A SHOULDER TO CRY ON IF THEY WANT TO OR WE CAN TAKE A WALK TALKING OR EVEN IN SILENCE.

SO THROUGH TIME I THINK WE DEVELOPED A MUTUAL RELATIONSHIP BASED ON TRUST.

>> HERE ARE THESE WONDERFUL KIDS THAT ARE IN THIS HORRIBLE SITUATION.

HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN, I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I GUESS SOME SORT OF DISTANCE WHERE YOU'RE WATCHING THEM EXPERIENCE THIS LIFE BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT YOU AS A STABLE FIGURE THAT'S COMING BACK EVERY DAY.

>> YEAH.

WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING AND BEING TAUGHT BY THE CAREGIVERS OF THE SHELTER ON HOW TO BE IN OUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE KIDS, WHAT KIND OF BOUNDARIES IT WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO MAKE CLEAR.

AND ME NOT ADOPTING THEM WAS ONE OF THEM THAT WE WERE -- VERY EARLY ON WOULD BE INTRODUCING.

BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE KIDS, THEY REALLY NEED SOME -- THEY MISSED SOMEBODY TO REALLY SEE THEM.

AND MY UKRAINIAN CREW AND I, LIKE THREE PEOPLE IN ALL, OBVIOUSLY WHEN THIS FILMING ENDS OUR INVOLVEMENT DOESN'T END AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING, YOU KNOW -- WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A PSYCHOLOGICAL PROGRAM WHERE WE HIRED TWO PSYCHOLOGISTS, CHILD PSYCHOLOGISTS WITH TRAUMA AS A SPECIALTY TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE KIDS FROM WHEN WE STOPPED FILMING AND FOREVER ONWARDS FOR THE KIDS THAT WERE AT THE SHELTER WHILE WE WERE THERE TO SEE IF A PILOT PROGRAM LIKE THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE REALLY HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE TO INSPIRE MAYBE THE STATE TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR.

AND WE'VE HAD REALLY, REALLY GOOD RESULTS ACTUALLY.

>> I WONDER AS A FILMMAKER WHY YOU CHOSE NOT TO USE THE WAR AS PART OF THE STORYLINE OR AS ALMOST LIKE A CHARACTER.

BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS LITERALLY A SIDE OF UKRAINE THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN EXPOSED TO FOR THE PAST YEAR.

BUT WHY KEEP THE WAR OUT OF IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S KIND OF STARTED WHILE YOU'RE DOING THIS?

>> I WANTED TO BE TRUTHFUL AND HONEST IN REGARDS TO THE CHILD'S POINT OF VIEW.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T SEE THE WAR, THEN WE DON'T SEE THE WAR EITHER.

AND I FELT IN A LOT OF WAYS ALSO THAT EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HEAR A COUPLE OF EXPLOSIONS ONCE OR TWICE IN THE FILM IN THE DISTANCE, THAT'S WHAT THE WAR IS FOR THESE KIDS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, OR THAT POINT IN TIME.

OBVIOUSLY NOW EVERYTHING'S CHANGED.

BUT NO MATTER WHAT I STILL FEEL THAT THE WAR IN SO MANY WAYS IS SEEPING IN THROUGH THE CRACKS IN EVERYTHING IN SOCIETY.

AND YOU FEEL THAT IT'S THERE EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE IT SO MUCH.

>> HERE WE ARE IN THE SECOND YEAR OF THIS WAR NOW.

WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE CHILDREN THAT YOU FILMED IN THAT SHELTER?

>> YES.

THERE'S A CHANCE WHERE THE SHELTER WAS LOCATED IS ONE OF THE MOST HEAVILY CONTESTED CITIES ALMOST UP THERE WITH MARIUPOL OR BAKHMUT.

SO IT'S BEEN DEVASTATED A LOT.

WHAT I'VE HEARD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE, BUT THE LAST THING I HEARD WAS THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A ROCKET THAT HIT DOWN THROUGH THE ROOF OF THE SHELTER BUT IT DIDN'T EXPLODE, SO IF IT'S TRUE THEN THERE'S A ROCKET STICKING UP FROM THE ROOF OF THE SHELTER.

WHICH IS NOW IN RUSSIAN CONTROLLED TERRITORY.

SO IT'S EMPTY OF BOTH KIDS AND STAFF.

>> WHERE DID ALL THOSE KIDS GO?

>> THEY WERE PUT ON A TRAIN ON THE MORNING OF THE 24th, ON A TWO TO THREE-DAY TRAIN JOURNEY WESTWARDS WHICH HAD TO STOP A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE THERE WAS FEAR OF ROCKET ATTACKS OR MORTARS, MAYBE EVEN AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND SOME HITS ALSO NEAR THE TRAIN.

BUT EVENTUALLY, LUCKILY, THEY ALL GOT SAFELY TO WESTERN UKRAINE.

AND WHEN LVIV ALSO STARTED GETTING HIT THEY WERE TRANSPORTED INTO A TEMPORARY ORPHANAGE IN EUROPE.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE OSCAR NOMINATION HAS DONE FOR THIS TOPIC, THESE CHILDREN?

>> SO THERE'S SO MUCH FOCUS WITH THE OSCARS ON THE KIDS BUT ALSO THE TOPIC IN GENERAL, WHICH IS SO, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT IN THIS PLACE AND TIME.

BECAUSE I WAS FILMING IN EASTERN UKRAINE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THAT WAS LIKE A SMALLER PROBLEM, BUT NOW OBVIOUSLY WITH THE NEW FULL-SCALE ATTACK ON UKRAINE YOU COULD BE WORRIED THAT THIS PROBLEM WILL SPREAD TO ENCOMPASS MORE OF UKRAINE.

BUT WHAT I'M MOST PROUD ABOUT IS THAT IT MEANS SO MUCH FOR A LOT OF UKRAINIANS THAT THIS FILM HAS ACTUALLY MADE IT THIS FAR.

AND IT HELPS A LOT INTERNALLY TO FOCUS ON THIS TOPIC AND TO HOPEFULLY MAKE FAMILIES OPEN UP THEIR HOMES AND TAKING ONE OR TWO OR MORE OF THESE KIDS.

>> SO WHAT CAN PEOPLE DO?

>> MY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND MY LINE PRODUCER WHO ARE BOTH UKRAINIAN, WHILE WE WERE SHOOTING THE FILM IN THE END, THEY DECIDED ACTUALLY TO MAKE AN NGO THAT'S CALLED THE FOUNDATION VOICES OF CHILDREN.

AND THIS FOUNDATION IS FOCUSED SOLELY ON HELPING VULNERABLE KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY WAR IN VARIOUS WAYS, BOTH HE VERY PRACTICAL WITH A HOME OR CLOTHING OR FOOD EVEN OR HEATING BUT ALSO WITH PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP.

SO THEY HAVE SOMEBODY TO TALK TO, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST IF PEOPLE WANT TO HELP A GOOD WAY WOULD BE TO DONATE TO THAT NGO.

>> SIMON LERENG WILMONT.

THE FILM IS CALLED "A HOUSE MADE OF SPLINTERS."

THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON THE TONIGHT.